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Prepare to embark on an emotional journey with us as we sit down with Pamela Wright, an inspiring woman who battled addiction and emerged victorious. Join us as she takes you through the twisting lanes of her past - a journey from her strict childhood in the Ida Barbour section, of Portsmouth Virginia to the risky world of drug smuggling, and the eventual fallout. Pamela's story isn't just about surviving addiction but also about the tenacity of the human spirit that led her to rebuild her life.
Pamela talks about her descent into the dangerous world of drugs, dealing, and smuggling, with detailed accounts of her travels to Africa to hide drugs in juice cans. But the law caught up with her, and she faced charges in multiple states, leading her on a legal journey that saw her battling for her name's clearing in her home state of Virginia. She was stuck in a labyrinth of legalities until her friend overseas sent lawyers to her aid, resulting in her returning home.
The most inspiring chapter of Pamela's life is her recovery. Drawing strength from her unwavering faith in Jesus, she managed to break the shackles of addiction. The echoes of her mother's last words continue to be a source of encouragement for her as she navigates her life free from addiction. Pamela's story is a testament to the fact that it's never too late to begin again, and with faith, acceptance of criticism, and determination, one can overcome the most formidable obstacles. Tune in to be inspired by Pamela Wright's story of redemption and faith.
Welcome back to another episode of let's Just Talk About it podcast. I'm your host, chuck, and if you're here for the first time, this platform was created to get genuine people just like you An opportunity to share a portion of your life's journey. So, with that being said, today I have Pamela Wright on with me, where she shares how it was growing up in Portsmouth, virginia, and the consequences that came with dealing drugs, and she also shares her freedom now after a battle with the drug addiction. So, hey, do me a favor, go and grab your husband, your wife, your children, or even call a friend and listen into my conversation with Pamela or let's just talk about it podcast. Hey, let's jump right in. Thank you so much for being a part of this episode on let's Just Talk About it podcast Today. I have Pamela Wright on with me today, so thank you so much, pam, for being on with me.
Speaker 2:You're so welcome. How are you today? I'm doing good yourself. I am blessed and I am so grateful today. I know that's right.
Speaker 1:I want to say, first of all, thank you for allowing me and the listening audience to hear a part of your life's journey. I really appreciate you doing this, yep. I love to jump right into my interviews, pam, to have those genuine conversations with genuine people just like yourself. So, first of all, where are you from?
Speaker 2:I'm from Portsmouth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what part of Portsmouth are you from? I came up in Outer Barber. How was it for you growing up in Ida Barbour?
Speaker 2:Well, when we first moved to Ida Barbour from out Churchland, which they call the country, you know, okay, called church and country, uh huh, okay. So, when we moved out of the barber, when I was about 11, growing up, I'm saying, within a household, it was good, because I come from a strict mother, very strict. I remember when I was young. I remember when the street lights came on, I was 17 years old she did a roll call.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She wanted everybody in front of the door because where we live that we lived in like a court and the full light was right in our yard. And my mom? She was strict, but once I think about it it was out of love, right, right. And she always said I was the one, the hardest one that she had to deal with. Anything I did was disrespectful. She was telling me all the time you are so disrespectful. She used to call me my Pamela, that's what she always called me and I had my first child at 19. We wasn't well to do for us, the household, but I could never remember missing breakfast, lunch or dinner she provided. My mother was a provider, yeah, although her husband was there. She dealt with the kids and he went out and made the money. I can't remember her having one job out of my whole life with the school boy. She was like on call to work in the cafeteria. Right, I think my mama went twice and she didn't go back no more because my stepfather he was an Austrian man. Their family had their boats and everything right Got you and they owned a property down by the water. My mama used to hustle all those courts of Austria. Wow, that's how she made her money, but I come from a good family, yeah.
Speaker 1:Growing up was good. I'm laughing because my dad did the same thing with the street lights.
Speaker 2:He would do the road, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:He would do the road call and everybody would laugh at me.
Speaker 2:And they used to joke on us all, the time.
Speaker 1:I'm going with time, so I'm not by myself.
Speaker 2:I'm not by my sister. Yeah, my mom told me and my sister to be home about a certain time. No, she didn't come in and got the microphone and start calling our names. Everybody in the whole Alaba knew. Miss Emma May and when they saw her coming, they knew i i t w iundefined undefined w t w tundefined roubl t. She was serious about her kids, all of them. Like I said, I had my first child at 19. And I guess my mom said she told Miss Chiba she got to go and I was working for Postman Redevelopment and Housing Authority and I know to get Mr. Jackson was the manager over all the projects right. So after I had my first child my mom told him you got to get her a partner. So that's when I moved to 1426 Barbour , got you, and that's when my whole life turned. That's when I really really got into drugs, got you my kid's father God rest his soul, he's a fellow out of marijuana. And then I got introduced to cocaine. And then, after him and I broke up, I was introduced real good to the people in the street, men, because I didn't deal with women. The men that I were introduced to they were the old timers, the drug dealers.
Speaker 1:So let me ask you this you said you was introduced to cocaine. So when you was first introduced to it, what was that experience? Because I always say Pam you never know who's listening that people sometimes think using drugs is fun. It starts out as fun, but then it ends up being an addiction. So talk about that first time you did that.
Speaker 2:The first time I did cocaine I sniffed it, right, I didn't like it. Then I learned how to cook cocaine and I was cooking it for other people. Then I started smoking it and it's nothing like the first one. You'd never get it again. Yeah, you're chasing, chasing, running, but for a while I did it and then I stopped and along with that I was doing the heroin and that was really my choice of drug. And then I knew people that had it like mountains, I would say. So I started dealing with them because I knew them from when I was younger. They was like shoot, probably 15 to 20 years older than me, but me I'm always a go getter. I got that from my mom, but I took it to another level, watching her and my stepfather. My mom didn't care what he said, right, she was going to get it. And I took it upon myself to get with these people, all men that had it, and I knew they had it.
Speaker 1:So you became that hustler.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 1:You said your mom was an artist.
Speaker 2:That's what the younger people under me was saying, right? So they used to be down in the park called a hold in Audubon I'm not going to use no names. A family member of mine, when they called me, she used to meet them, get the money, bring it to me and I would send more stuff down to them. So that lasted for a while and one of them had went to prison. But the brother, he was holding on to everything and I remember this incident. I caught a cab to his house one night and left a friend of mine at the house, a female, and I was just going to pick up. So I would have it when the person that I was giving it to every day would pick it up from me in the morning. But this particular night I went to him and he had like 42 grams of heroin. Back then in the early 80s, that's what it was. That's when they was using the quinine in Benita. So this is when we realized that he was in Dungeon 2. He took half of a half of brick and he had sifted down right Everything on the table. He, taking that, thinking it's the cut, put it on all the dope. So when I tried it I'm like, uh-uh, this is not right. So then we realized what he did. We put other stuff on it to try to make it less potent. That's when the jumbo cap and out of Baba came out the speed ball. So years later I moved to Cavalier Manor and it got worse.
Speaker 1:So let me ask you this Pam, you said, your first born was born in 19. So how did that affect him, growing up in the midst of all of this?
Speaker 2:It did affect him and the youngest one he didn't really know. I would always say, well, my kids never seen the drugs. I thought that was okay, but it wasn't okay. Children know a lot by just looking. Then when I moved to Cavalier Manor, my oldest son, Michael, was about 11 or 12 and my youngest one, he, was three. So me staying in Cavalier Manor, that's when I got introduced to all of them out there. Like I said, I'm not going to call no names the big boys out there.
Speaker 1:Right, right. What was this in the 90s, 80s? What was this? This was in the 80s.
Speaker 2:Okay, this is from the early 80s. Got you and I was the type of person that just liked to be around men but nothing. Sexual. Men were always my friend and, like I said, I moved to Cavalier Manor. I was in a household where it wasn't that much going on. But then it started going on Once I got there because the friends of my friend saw I knew how to do it. You understand what I'm saying. So we started doing it. God rest his soul. The majority of them are dead and gone or still in prison with like terms. So I started working from the house and everything. Then I got well known in Cavalier Manor. But let me take you back and out of Bobbler, they really didn't know it was me because even in Cavalier Manor I came out at night, I didn't hang in the street. Got you, but it got real rough in Cavalier Manor because it was too much going on. So I left the manor, I came back downtown to live with my mom. Then I started going to this latest house that I call my aunt in Prince Park. This is when I met other family members, but I knew it always went on in that house, but I was familiar with that house. That's one of the houses where I went and did what I had to do, as far as getting high was a word about nothing. That was my second home, so I met a family member, her and I got real close. They used to talk about the brother. So the brother came down. He didn't care too much for me because I didn't cater to him. So finally he sent the word to me through his sister and I told his sister if he wanted to talk to me. He talked to me. You see what I'm saying. So I guess he found out a little bit about my past. During the time her mother came down. She looked at me. She said you don't even look like you belong here. She said you look so clean and intelligent, right. And I'm like, wow. And she talked about everybody else, all other women in the room, right, which were relatives through marriage. Well, anyway, I was introduced to the brother, which I already knew of him, and he thought he knew of me by just seeing me, right. So that's when I started going overseas, to South Africa. Wow, I used to pick up girls in New York and then I would take them to the hotel, clean them up for the weekend, and that's when we would get on the flight. We would go to Miami and then, once we got on the flight, we would go on the flight for like 18 hours before they landed to refuel.
Speaker 1:Got you. We hear men talk about things like this, but a lot of people don't hear when a woman talks this way. So I know you're talking to somebody. You know what I'm saying, so keep going. So let me take you back.
Speaker 2:When I first started doing it, we were bringing the juice cans and the liquor canes and, like I said, I was the one that went over with the girls to Africa. They brought it back. Wow, it was a family over there. They had a juice company and just the middle of the juice can hold the whole key of cocaine Wow. So when we got to the airport even if they lifted up and stuck the thing down in the order bottom. It would never hit the cocaine. So I did that once.
Speaker 1:Then, when I went, back, and all this going back and forth to Africa, yeah.
Speaker 2:Wow, I had a passport and everything. So the first trip was good. Once we came from over there, we landed in Miami. They went on their way to their flight because somebody was waiting for them in Miami. They took it off of them and sent them home, but me. I caught another flight to Norfolk and this first time the Bricks was involved. I took a chance and I brought a Brick back. I made it back. So this is the real deep stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I took a chance and went back a month from later. I never did that because it was too close. I said I'm going to do it this the last time, I'm not doing it no more. So this young guy from Portsmouth, when I brought the Brick back with the other girls, right, I brought the Brick back for somebody else Doing that time for a whole Brick of fish scale cocaine. Thank you, lord, I'm here today. They only charged me 5,500 for a whole Brick of fish scale over there. Wow, when I came back the charge here was $21,000. So I and the person, we made good money off it, but he didn't even know what I was getting up over there because the girl had got familiar with me, right, and me and her got tight In Africa, in Africa. So I'm not ashamed to talk about it because everybody knows me now. I went to court and everything right, right, because this is my story, right, absolutely. And I went back too early and I felt it. And on the way over there, the person from Portsmouth before that he never knew who I was because they used to call me Miss P during that time Right. So the guy from New York who was working together, him, I and his sister. We had a house out in Popview near Portsmouth General Hospital to have a basement in the bottom of it and this particular night we was cooking up cocaine in the pot that was stowed in the basement. He waits for the last minute to tell me that this person is on the way to the house and his sister. As I told him not to get him barred, we had because he had two minute charges Right and he was out on bond Murder charge, drug charge, I mean everything he was out on like I think it was six bonds and one of them was the bed. So he waited until the last minute to tell us that he was on his way. So I'm hustling to get out the house Soon. I opened the door, he's standing there, wow, and he done put P with Pam. So I and the guy's sister we leave and some telling me is a setup, is a setup. But me so greeted and trying to prove that I can do this and get back. He didn't pay us all the money, but when I got ready to go back over there, we met him at Morrison's cafeteria. Then the guy asked him you don't want anything else? He said no, I'm a wait. He said wait for what he said the next time. So I'm sitting there with him because he don't already seem it and I know the guy them told him it was me.
Speaker 1:Putting Peter Pam.
Speaker 2:So he don't want none Didn't give us all the money and, as I think back on it, he wanted to keep ties with us, right? So God was trying to show me the whole time, pam, not to take this trip. So we left him. I had all the money, on the way to the airport caught a flat tire and I missed my flight. Then I said well, come on, let's drive to New York. He had already told the fed about the flight and everything, but we had changed it and I said come on, let's drive to New York. Him and the guy's sister and I. We drove to New York and she kept saying Pam, I want to go with you this time. Her brother didn't OK it, but she really wanted to go. That's what I'm thinking. It could have been a game, opportunity day, I don't know. So once I get to New York, the brother tells him she in New York. He said Nia with the brother why he keep calling me at the hotel with the girls. Right, that's when the fed got the tabs on me at that hotel in New York. Wow, so by me leaving, they're in going overseas. They couldn't follow me, but they had told him when I was supposed to come back. So when I get over there, the guy called me. He said Pam, can they have a half a brick? I said no, we don't already dressed them out and we know what they can bring back, what the order already was right, because he doing that time they was wearing a bag of jeans and all that. You know, in the big shirts, the women too. So I said I'll call you back. So I'm thinking, nia, well, I can get a half a brick, I'll take a chance with that, bring it back. And I brought it back and that was the setup.
Speaker 1:Wow, when they get you to airport. But let me tell you this part.
Speaker 2:When I get on the plane to come back. God is so good. But you know what, like my mama said, I was hard headed and grew up around Christian people. They knew the do's and don'ts. I had a dream on that plane when I was getting off the plane, that it was going to all go down then. Then I woke up, went to bed, took it off of me with my whole head like my mom say, put it back on me, came back and sit down me. Not knowing the thread on the plane the whole time watching me. I went to sleep again. God is my witness. I would not lie. The Lord gave me a dream with me coming out the airport with my hands cuffed to the front and getting a brave van.
Speaker 1:And that's exactly what happened Wow Same color, same cuffs.
Speaker 2:Same color, same thing. Yeah, when I'm going to get off the plane, I bumped my knee on the chair. I'm still having problems with that knee right now my right knee. I sit down. I said, lord, this is a sad thing. People was behind me so I couldn't go back to the bathroom. I remember this Jamaican guy and his wife asked me was that OK? I said yeah, I'm OK. So they waited for me to get my stuff done. So while entering the tunnel, the line slowed up. You know like you get off the plane and you enter the tunnel to get into the airport. I heard somebody saying they stopped the people at the front. I said, oh my God, forgive me, I did not pay attention to what you was trying to say. I knew right. Then Let me tell you something. When I got to the front, the people asked me for my passport. I gave them my passport. I took three steps. The dogs in the bed came from everywhere, but see, the girls was in front of me. It was like four or five people behind them and I could see them. I could have told them there, go right there. But I didn't trying to play the good guy role. Yeah, being more, they got through. The four girls got through. I saw them, they was gone. Like I said, I took three steps. They came from everywhere, but dogs and everything.
Speaker 1:Because they were watching you on the plane the whole time. They was watching me on the plane.
Speaker 2:The whole time I'm telling you. So they asked me was I traveling alone? I said yes, they knew my luggage and everything. They checked my luggage. I guess it wasn't none in here. So, look, they takes me to the back of the airport. It was so packed on me, so good. The females was back. Two females was back there checking me and one man was at the door. Do you know? They checked me and didn't find nothing Because I was patted down. So good, I had back. Then we wore those tight girdles that they put on us and then I had the long one that come to your ankles. They patted me with my clothes on and everything. They didn't feel nothing, the lady told me. She said Miss Wright, if you have anything on, you, give it to us now, because when you get to detention center I was in New York when I was in my Anna right she said you're going to get a little charge. When I took all my clothes and pulled that half a key out, they called a supervisor. The supervisor came in because the man called him and told him that they had checked me and missed that half a key.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:So I don't know what he said to him. They took me to detention center. When I tried to call everybody that was connected with that, everybody had turned the phones off, got the numbers disconnected just like that within three hours, wow. And when I finally got through to my mom, she already knew because her brother was watching K-B-T-V that night nationwide. He saw them with me in the airport handcuffed. My family already knew and my mom had a block on her phone. God rest her soul. I love her so much. My mom got my niece or somebody to call the phone company. These are her words and she said she told them I need this block off my phone immediately because I need to contact my daughter. She's in federal prison for drug charge and the block came off and I talked to them. She said don't say nothing. She said what's the address and everything. I told her Mom was always there. She said I need what I needed. But you best believe the family knew it. But not one time did anybody question her or say anything to her about me and what happened all those years. Because they knew my mom and they knew she had the words to tell them. They never said nothing to her about it.
Speaker 1:So after that, did you get any time for that?
Speaker 2:OK, let me tell you what happened. I was there for about close to a year and they told me that I had a visitor and it was on a Sunday. I said wait a minute, this ain't number three. So I got dressed for the visit and I went out there. May I remind you the people that I was dealing with. They didn't try to contact me or nothing. But the auntie, the one I told you, I used to go to her, I was talking to her. She made the same like she was coming to New York to see me. But I found out later she came for a film and the reason why she did come to see me was because she was trying to find out. Was I talking to one hand, to say it right? I didn't even discuss the case with her. But after that, like I said, on a Sunday when I went out for my visit, it was three men and they were partners and one of them was African and they said Miss P. And I said my name is Pamela Wright and they said that we was asked to take your case. I said we are three of y'all. He said but you got to be honest with us, right? I'm still thinking it's the dead right. After they showed me the IDs and everything right, and they called my friend's name overseas a nickname that I gave her, so I knew they had been from her. After I had left them over there and got caught, she hadn't heard nothing from me in almost a year. She investigated, she found out where I was, she sent those three lawyers to handle my case and Miami had gave me a plea bargain for 20 years. Wow, this was before I seen the lawyers and I told them no, 20 years. So they talked to me and they ran it down to me and they told me this. They said well, look, miss Wright, they didn't pick you until you got to New York. So we're going to turn around and make it be that the case originated in New York Because, see, they was trying to charge me for every state, every country, every city and everything that I went through in that air. So they told me, they said we're going to get all your paperwork. They said we'll be back to see you in about two months. So when they came back to see me in two months, they said New York took the case that week, remember God. I stayed locked up for five years, six months and 17 days before I ever went forth to church.
Speaker 1:Wow, because they were fighting your case, fighting my case, but I left there.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking I'm going to New York. Right, it took me so long because you got to go through Oklahoma. That's your chance to stop. You see what I'm saying? So when I leave Oklahoma, I'm thinking I'm going to New York when you're just over with. They brought me to Virginia. Virginia had 13 indictments on me, wow. So I called my mom and everything and my mom got in touch with one of the detectives that worked in Portsmouth Light and he told her everything. He told her when I got there and I needed court clothes but they took me to Suffolk jail and my mom found out my court date and everything right. So when I came out after I had been there a couple of days to go to court, I got on the van with a couple of guys that I knew from when they was young. They said, miss Pam, what you doing here? I said I gotta go to court. They told me. They say we just seen my son. My family didn't tell me nothing. He was in there for murder and I don't want to get into that. But my son received life term in 13 years. He's still incarcerated. It's been about 23 years, wow. But when I came to Portsmouth and come to court I kind of knew what was going on. But I said somebody had to tell and I'm thinking that they had got the guy and his sister. But it was the one that I told you that saw me coming to the door and there was 132 people on the indictment and out of 132 people on the indictment, the majority of those young kids from out of Barbara. I recognized them. Wow, they had got to like the 80th person, no matter, because say that they ever dealt with me. They was like shocked. And then when he got up there he said so much and it was a bunch of lies and everything. But you best believe, when I got up there I mentioned nobody name, right. All I talked about was the times that I was in his present and what happened, because he tried to kill me when he got on that stand. So the judge said no more witnesses. So they took me back to the back right and then I had to come back out into you. So when I came back out it was like three hours later every charge that they had for me in Virginia was dropped, number gone. Then I leave here and go back to Miami. I stayed in Miami until I got my court date. And I got my court date. I was in Miami like I say, five years and almost seven months. The lawyer came back to see me and he said we got a court date. So they prepared me for the court date and everything right. So I called my mother until I have a court date and a friend of mine and her husband agreed to bring my mother up there and I told her bring my baby boy with you. She said, pamela, I don't want him to come up and see you not come home. I said, in the name of Jesus, I'm coming home. Right, I'm coming home. So when I went to court that day, at one of a God and I know how this girl worked over in Africa, right, I seen this lady in the courtroom. She kept standing up and sitting down, standing up and sitting down, right, she just caught my eye and she walked behind the bar that was behind me and she said hello. And I just turned around and said hello and the judge was up there. Let me tell you something. When it was time for me to stand up, I had did a plea bargain, right, I did a plea bargain for five years and then five years probation for the bed. That judge had them so confused. It went on and on and on and the judge said y'all ain't got y'all paperwork together, stuff he was asking for. They confided. He said you know what? Stand up, miss Wright. Wow, I'm gonna get this over with. He said time served, wow, and three years probation. All I could do was holler and say Lord, I thank you. And I came out that day. What year was that? This was in 2000.
Speaker 1:Got you.
Speaker 2:And I was supposed to stand a halfway house night because my family picked me up. I went to the halfway house and it was during the time of my son's trial, right, not a nation officer, anna Hodge, I would never forget her. She was a white female. She let me come out every other day with the investigator, a black man that was investigating my son's case, right, and he had told the lawyer he couldn't find nothing that would convict my son of that murder. It was a bunch of, he say, she say, and the guy supposedly both had dreads when it happened. My son used to have dreads, but when it happened my son had already cut his dreads off his head. It was crazy. What happened was that they let me come home early from the halfway house, so when I got out it was time for my son to try. In the first day his grandmother had a heart attack in the courtroom being in his sentence in day. I mean, when I stood up in the hall and was crying, everybody thought that I was crying because they was trying to get my son to death. And when the judge said, one life turned in six years, I stood up and I started praising God because my son was still alive. You know, like they say, in a jury it only takes one. It was one person in that jury that wouldn't agree that my son did not do it and the prosecutor during that time had suffered. I'm not gonna call his name. He was a prosecutor in Portsmouth. Before he went to suffer he was in a newspaper. He said out of all his years of dealing with a murder case in a case, he said my son never changed his testimony, his facial expression or nothing, never changed through the whole trial. He said it was unbelievable. But you know it, today and before today I thank God that my son hadn't been out here on these streets these 20 some years because I knew what type of life he was living. And today I can say, and before today, I see, I know in my heart my son did not kill this person. But it can't say he don't know what happened. But I know he did not commit that murder. You know, and when my son went to prison, his son a little like he was like no more than like five or six months old. And do you know my son has raised his son from the prison because when he was little I used to go up and down that road, me and my grandson, to see my son and he always was in contact with his son, even talking to him on the phone when he was little and everything, and I kept him with me during that time, although he was staying with his mother, but I had him alive and up until today his son tells him everything and I believe it. And when his father tell him what to and what not, he follow his father's orders. My son, the month number, 23 years, my son, even having had three infractions in that prison, they used my son for a model, like when they having rides, games and stuff in other prisons, they used him for that. You know God is a good God. Yes, he is. God has put him around people, like God said, he put a hand of protection over you and he has done that all these years with my son, his angels and the people that he have put in my son's life. You know, and like I said, god is so good. Yes, he is. But my life today I can say I am so grateful for family and friends and I know, truly I have the best of my interests. You understand what I'm saying. Yeah, and I went to rehab back in the first part of April and I met Three wonderful people. One is Nicole, calvin and Mark. They really blessed my soul because you know it was so many drugs in that place where we were at. But the thing about it, I know what I went there for and I was determined to get what I went for. And my friend Nicole, she said something to me one day. She said mama, she's the common mama. She said mama, you know, they got a two for one sale after you buy one and the other one. You're daffy.
Speaker 1:Wow, say that one more time.
Speaker 2:Two for one sale, buy one and daffy, wow. And that has stuck to me ever since you told me and I went to three rehabs before I came home and I can honestly say today people can say what they want to say I have not had a desire, wow. I haven't had no jitteriness. I mean I haven't had nothing concerning drugs to affect my body, because, see, when they say few place and things, my thing in that was my head and my mind. But today I keep my mind stayed on positive things. Yeah, and number one is Jesus. I am walking in His grace. I am walking in everything he has destined in my life. None of us I'm speaking for myself, I'm going to say I am not perfect, but God is delivering me from so many things and I know once he delivered me from those drugs, it was going to be on. He have given me strength and he have given me power to deal with everything that come before me. And now, since I've been home, some people have said things to me, and sometimes family too. But you know what? I keep looking toward the prize, which is Jesus, because everything he said in His Word, he said it and he meant it and he would do it if you allowed Him to do it, and I know things will come out way, but I got to just walk through it. I got to keep on walking through it Because see, that's what the devil do. He gets you distracted, he gets you mad with people. He had you built some type of way about everything and then you start getting nasty, talking to people in a kind of way saying ah, hell with it. And there you go again, all to the races. But he's a liar. He's a liar. He didn't kill me then, and it won't be my death when I die. Jerusalem it won't, can't do it.
Speaker 1:Wow, shout out to you for your progress. Before we close, I want to dedicate this episode to your mom. You said you lost your mom, so we're dedicating this to mom. Thank you, your story, your victory over addiction. So, yeah, shout out to mom.
Speaker 2:And before my mom died, that's all she wanted for me was to be clean. Like I said, my mom loved all her kids, but this was something about me On my mom dying bed. She asked her family member to get in touch with this lady. I didn't even know she knew this much about the lady because me and my mom live in the same building and I didn't know this until the funeral. My mom asked one of my siblings to get in touch with her until I come to the hospital. My mom asked everybody to leave the room. My mom told us later everything that she could remember about me coming up and then not doing it. At the end, my mom asked her would she accept me as her daughter? Wow, because she trusted her and she accepted me. My mom said she's going to be a handful, but don't let her go. And this lady have kept her word and I am so blessed to have the people that I have in my life Absolutely.
Speaker 1:I was there God is good, any last words you want to say.
Speaker 2:Yes, I just want to say thank you for giving me the opportunity, absolutely, and I thank God for my life that I lived the day, and I thank God for family, friends and my fiancee, because he had been really putting up with me. And sometimes I can get selfish and act like I'm the only one that's going through things, but I remember who lives in me and that's who I'm living for today. Wow, thank you for allowing me to share my story with you, absolutely. I would appreciate you.
Speaker 1:Appreciate you too, pam. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for being on the platform. What do you want people to know about, pam, today and we going to sign out?
Speaker 2:I want people to know about Pam today. I went through a lot, but it's never too late. It's never too late. You got to learn how to talk to people. Let people know what's going on in your life. Accept criticism, because a lot of times, speaking for myself, criticism it helps me think. And when people are at you delivering you, a lot of times it might be, but when it comes to the ones that you know they really love you, it's your best interest, is what they have for you. But today I am blessed. I know who kept me, that was keeping me through all the years in my mess and finally I'm saying a serious yes to him, and that's my Lord and Savior, jesus Christ.
Speaker 1:Wow, what an amazing conversation. Shout out to my friend, pamela Wright, for having this dialogue with me. You know, one of the things that really stuck out to me, amongst everything else, was it's never too late. In other words, as long as you have breath in your body and you're able to look up towards heaven and cry out to God for help, then you have enough to start all over again. So shout out to you, pam, for sharing your true story as always. Thank you so much for tuning in to let's Just Talk About it podcast, and please check out my website, justgoogle Let'sJustTalkAboutItPodcastcom and then hit that Subscribe button to receive all the new episodes every Friday. You can also find me on Facebook. Just type in Chuck LJTAI, which means let's Just Talk About it. So, as always, until next time, don't hold it in, but let's just talk about it. Talk to you soon, we'll be back.
